SariTsamon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yeaaaaa but this doesnt show if the Turin Shroud is real or not it just shows the details.

SHSH1212 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ya, If they dated the parts that they sure were "original", then it would be proof, whether it showed that it was 2000 or 700 years old.

Jfscloud723 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

What happened is when the Shroud was in France there was an attempt to preserve the shroud by trying to fix the outer parts of it using their modern day cotton. The part of the shroud that was tested was the bottom corner. That is why it comes out to 12-1300 AD. They were unknowingly testing the restored section of the shroud. Whats more is that the Shroud is made of actual blood, which was tested and shown to be male human blood. However testing for ancestry was a failure.

SHSH1212 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

To convince skeptics, they would need to send the clean linen to multiple, credible sources.

braino2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Once again, they have tried many ways to reproduce it... They haven't yet. Not even the most skilled artists can do it, with todays technology. The first carbon dating was with the smoke/burned particals on the shroud... But theyve found that the clean linen is much older, not to mention, they found pollen from israel from thats about 2000 years old.

SHSH1212 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Carbon dating is hardly inaccurate. Who was the most recent to test it? The shroud is of a man who was crucified. This process can easily be repeated to the desired effect.

braino2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

That's cute. For one, carbon dating has shown repeatedly to be unreliable, secondly, they most recent test on it have proven much earlier. Besides, easily faked? Evidence please. They haven't come within shouting distance of reproducing it, let alone with primitive tools/technology from the middle ages.

SHSH1212 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

No, whether or not I believe in a god is irrelevant. The carbon dating method put it at ~1300 C.E. To say that it is the death shroud of Jesus without sufficient evidence to place it within a decent range from his death would be bad assumption. With that out of the way, the rest can easily be faked.

braino2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Yeah, but people in the scientific community have said its either real, or there's no evidence that its fake. It is still to be reproduce, scientists havent reproduced it and never will, just like their dream of making "artificial life"

braino2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

WOW!! What a great rebuttal!! The rest isn't irrelevant. Have you done any research on the shroud or do you just refuse to believe it because of your worldview? Yeah, finding a bile in the real blood tissue that is produced under torturous conditions has NO relevance does it? Every person who has researched the shroud has said its real, or there is no evidence that it's fake.